Depth Chart for Copper and Set Up Info

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Depth Chart for Copper and Set Up Info

Postby Adam Bomb » Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:58 pm

Here is a depth chart on copper
http://educatedangler.com/images/copper_depthchart.pdf

Heres some info from Opti Tackle about copper wire that i found interesting for someone that may be just getting into the copper game
http://www.optitackle.com/copperssline.shtml

Scroll down in this Fishing Tips and youll find an extensive section on copper
http://www.optitackle.com/fishingtips.shtml

Some prefer to use a small spro swivel and the haywire twist knot for their tansition from the backer to copper and copper to leader. If you should use this method be sure that the reel your using will allow the swivel to pass through the line guide on your reel. You also need a rod with bigger guides. There are models out there designed for copper.
http://www.fishing-khaolak.com/knots/ha ... steps.html
http://www.videojug.com/webvideo/how-to ... en-fishing
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Re: Depth Chart for Copper and Set Up Info

Postby salmon slut » Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:04 pm

thanks adam :thumbright:
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Re: Depth Chart for Copper and Set Up Info

Postby snowfish » Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:03 am

Hey Adam, I know this is an old post, but the chart you posted is a big difference from the one on the blood run site...... http://www.coppertrollingwire.com/coppe ... ive-curve/ Have you found one to be more accurate? It doesn't show speed either on their site, but refers to the "Precision trolling" book, so I'm guessing thats where the numbers come from? Also where have you found the best price on the "blood run"? Going to get 4 rods set up for next year. Thanks......Ralph

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Re: Depth Chart for Copper and Set Up Info

Postby Husky Jerk » Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:28 pm

I got a 1000 yard spool off their site. Free shipping. Good price
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Re: Depth Chart for Copper and Set Up Info

Postby Adam Bomb » Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:39 pm

Well, to be honest, its a hard comparison for me as i have only used the 32# blood run thus far and not their 45#. So i cant honestly compare the eductated angler chart to the blood run chart for 45#. I cant even say for sure if the blood run 45# compares apples to apples to the educated angler 45# meaning, diameter and weight. The reason i say that is the blood run is nickle coated and 0.038". I know other 45# varies from 0.036"-0.038" diameter and are not nickle coated. Does that equate to allot in the way of depth? i honestly cant say. But, im sure there may be differences. Currents, speed and what your pulling all effect the depth copper runs. No exact science IMO.

And i was just as curious about the 45# Blood Run as you are and so i asked a couple of guys that fish it allot and who's opinion i value. So, i consulted Terry Price (Dirty Dog) and Don Alofs (Tangled Mess Charters). And what i was told is that the 25' of depth per 100' is a fair assessment.

What i can say with certainty is that i ran the 200' 32# last weekend and when i was in 40-43' of water i was hitting bottom at around 2.5 SOG with a spoon on there. So that plays pretty well in to their depth chart of 20' deep per 100' of 32#. I used that same basis on the bay fishing walleye with 40-100' segments with spoons and had success. Now when pulling worms, i had to go with short sections and had lots of experimenting. But, about 40' was tops for 20' of water. 55' was constantly dragging.

As far as where to buy it, retailers are pretty limited at this point. Mostly SW michigan as far as i know. Best place to get it is direct since your from this side of the state. Comes in 1000' spools for $69.99 which is pretty reasonable compared to other copper lines on the market. Jason just ordered some last week and i believe he had it in 2-3 days and free shipping.
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Re: Depth Chart for Copper and Set Up Info

Postby snowfish » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:22 pm

Thanks Adam. Haven't done alot of salmon trolling. Long ago with the old hand crank downriggers and some long lines was about it. Looking at getting some more set ups just in case a boat pops up in the future(like next year?), I'll be ready. I've been doing alot of reading, and have been trying to come up with a general dive curve, and so far was thinking along those lines.....1' drop for 4' of 45lb. copper, 1' drop for 5' of 32lb. copper, and 1' drop for 6' of leadcore. Using this as a starting point, I should atleast keep my lines from too many tangles :lol: I have 4 older Diawa 47's that will become 2 core and 2 copper rods, then I have 4 other rods for riggers. Just have to buy 2 dipsy rods and wire before next year, then will have a 8 or 10 rod spread just waiting for a boat! Might get 2 of the bigger guided rods for copper and then I'll have 4 rods for lead instead of 2...(2,3,6,7 colors)?

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Re: Depth Chart for Copper and Set Up Info

Postby Adam Bomb » Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:17 pm

With your reel size given and quantity of lead id spool up a 3 and 5 color. They take a ton of fish whether your fishing in skinny water or offshore for steelhead or kings up high. Sticking to your plan and with the reels provided id spool up the other 2 47's with some 32# copper. If you went with 30# power pro backer you can get a 250' 32# on a 47 size reel. The last 47 id probably put a 150 32# on. For those 4 rods youd basically cover from 10'-50' band of water. From there down you can uses your wire dipseys and if you gotta get really deep the riggers.

So provided your stacking the riggers thatd give you a nice 10 rod spread. If it were me, id forgo the stacking and run sliders on the riggers and spool up the other two reels with some lead or copper. Reason being lead/copper and dipseys just seem to take more fish than the riggers anymore. But, to each his own. Back up rigger rods can be used for high lines as well in skinny water or steelhead offshore....Lotta ways to go. Have a nice V to your spread starting high on the outside and working deeper as you get to the boat.

Then obviously as you add to your spread you can get more and bigger reels and start getting into some larger core and coppers.
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